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>> there is a whole category of rebels, the prchz to a ba shall al-assad's regime and there are some more democrat cli inclined shall we say to presumably would want to have a better relationship with the united states with the west and other friendly countries in the middle east, whether saudi arabia or qatar or some of the other countries actively involved in what's going on in syria a. the great concern the obama administration has had and the reason why the u.s. has not sought to arm the rebels is because some of those rebels may be totally opposed to the united states, maybe closer to al qaeda, for example, than to the united states, so once you start arming rebels in a major way, you're not sure where those weapons are going to wind up, and that's been the big concern of the obama administration right now. how do you make sure that the weapons you provide rebels are really going to the good guys as it were as opposed to the potential bad guys and that's not an easy question to answer. >> never. in fact, we have countless examples where this has gone awry. hold the thought for a
>> there is a whole category of rebels, the prchz to a ba shall al-assad's regime and there are some more democrat cli inclined shall we say to presumably would want to have a better relationship with the united states with the west and other friendly countries in the middle east, whether saudi arabia or qatar or some of the other countries actively involved in what's going on in syria a. the great concern the obama administration has had and the reason why the u.s. has not sought to arm...
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assad regime is unable to completely defeat the. sunni armed opposition on the other hand the sunni armed opposition is unable to. build to overthrow assad at the same time all we can see that moscow is keeping washington in check and we can see also regionally that saudi arabia egypt and qatar and turkey are are keeping iran in check and vice versa so it's essentially a stalemate i think that this conflict looks likely to drag on until exhaustion comes into play ok if i do so you're saying the biggest losers so far are the syrian people because outside forces are arming rebels. i think that the biggest losers are the arabs in general the arabs have been suffering from repeated wars in the region from the from from the one nine hundred eighty s. the lebanese civil war the iraq the iraq war the iraqi wars in the one nine hundred ninety s. then and now we have this so the arabs are continuously being undermined by these regional conflicts undermining their prospects for democracy for a forum for economic prosperity and until these reg
assad regime is unable to completely defeat the. sunni armed opposition on the other hand the sunni armed opposition is unable to. build to overthrow assad at the same time all we can see that moscow is keeping washington in check and we can see also regionally that saudi arabia egypt and qatar and turkey are are keeping iran in check and vice versa so it's essentially a stalemate i think that this conflict looks likely to drag on until exhaustion comes into play ok if i do so you're saying the...
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of friends of syria saying assad must go ok it's almost the cheer you're hearing right now how do you know there is a difference here between what the street believes i think and certain vested interests. i think that we look we have to distinguish two things one is diplomatic condemnation and actually taking active policies to depose the assad regime beyond economic sanctions and diplomatic condemnation we don't see western powers really doing much to overthrow the assad regime in addition i would also add that israel is not preoccupied with syria at all it's mostly preoccupied with the iranian nuclear program you barely hear any any comments from the israeli government on the current events in syria ok or maybe they're just preoccupied with the round my did what do you think about that i mean even if assad goes what changes in syria and no one ever talks about that scenario go ahead i think the one of the important is the regional aspect if we have a proxy war in syria this is the war scenario i think iran is a master full of making proxies in countries it made the proxy in lebanon
of friends of syria saying assad must go ok it's almost the cheer you're hearing right now how do you know there is a difference here between what the street believes i think and certain vested interests. i think that we look we have to distinguish two things one is diplomatic condemnation and actually taking active policies to depose the assad regime beyond economic sanctions and diplomatic condemnation we don't see western powers really doing much to overthrow the assad regime in addition i...
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obama said, we want assad out of power. he has substantive things to talk about on the debate stage when they debate foreign policy in two weeks and that ad is now irrelevant. >> don't you think this is a case of him saying, i'll do the things the president is trying to do but do them more effectively? >> there's a fair case to make and there's an opening for that. >> i agree. i'm not saying that's a bad thing. >> there's an opening the size of a pin drop. he didn't lay out his strategy for peace in israel. on iran, the best he could come up with was, i'm going to get tougher on iran because i'm going to have tougher sanctions. >> when barack obama came to office, he said, i'm not george w. bush, so therefore, i can negotiate with iran. >> he said he would open up all doors but he wasn't going to give you a seat at the table unless you wanted to come and talk peace. >> we have unsolicited advice on the other side of the break including helpful hints for donald trump. stay with us. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] its lightweight
obama said, we want assad out of power. he has substantive things to talk about on the debate stage when they debate foreign policy in two weeks and that ad is now irrelevant. >> don't you think this is a case of him saying, i'll do the things the president is trying to do but do them more effectively? >> there's a fair case to make and there's an opening for that. >> i agree. i'm not saying that's a bad thing. >> there's an opening the size of a pin drop. he didn't lay...
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assad goes as i believe eventually he will, what takes its place. how do we do that? these are complicated things. i don't know enough about-- when every one of these things is going on, gi out of my way not to talk to hillary about it so i don't have any information i shouldn't have so i don't inadvertently say something to you that i shouldn't say. so i don't know what their options are. but i think that if we have some nonlethal options that we could use to support the syrian opposition, i presume we would be doing it. and i wouldn't be surprised if we are. i think most people believe that assad is going to have to go. it's sooner or later he will. and their concern about whether-- whatever arrangements that succeeds him can preserve a secular state can preserve a state which gives women a commendable amount of opportunities when compared with the competition in the region, you know, and but is less oppressive, less repressive and less subject to the siren song of the iranians and hezbollah and other forces that promote terror in the region. >> rose: president mors
assad goes as i believe eventually he will, what takes its place. how do we do that? these are complicated things. i don't know enough about-- when every one of these things is going on, gi out of my way not to talk to hillary about it so i don't have any information i shouldn't have so i don't inadvertently say something to you that i shouldn't say. so i don't know what their options are. but i think that if we have some nonlethal options that we could use to support the syrian opposition, i...
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about whose hands the weapons would end up in because the objective that he stayed it was to defeat assad seeing it as a stepping stone to iran iran is sending arms to assad because they know his downfall would be a strategic defeat for them we should be working no less vigorously going to international partners to support the many syrians who would deliver that defeat to iran rather than sitting on the sidelines so basically mitt romney suggested taking advantage of the crisis in syria to fulfill the goal of defeating iran blatant but straightforward remark basically expressing the same opportunistic approach to foreign policy that the u.s. has had for many years while obama campaign called romney reckless and amateurish when it comes to foreign policy so far the administration has stopped short of directly arming the rebels although washington is coordinating the efforts of their allies in the region that is saudi arabia qatar turkey which are providing weapons to the rebels one way or another but those allies are saying that they only provide smaller weapons that they would love to sen
about whose hands the weapons would end up in because the objective that he stayed it was to defeat assad seeing it as a stepping stone to iran iran is sending arms to assad because they know his downfall would be a strategic defeat for them we should be working no less vigorously going to international partners to support the many syrians who would deliver that defeat to iran rather than sitting on the sidelines so basically mitt romney suggested taking advantage of the crisis in syria to...
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of arming the syrians, finding those syrian moderates, those pro-western rebels fighting bashar al assad, that may be a new strategy on the part of romney as opposed to the obama administration which has been totally reluctant to arm any of the rebels in syria fearing those weapons could wind up in the hands of the so-called terrorist, the bad guys, if you will. that's a clear differentiation, but i think from the american political perspective, there's no great desire to get involved militarily on the ground or in the air for that matter in syria or elsewhere. >> all right. well, thank you very much. appreciate it. of course, we're fwog bring in fareed zakaria to talk about this. fareed in new york. of course, you were watching this as well, and one of the points that you brought up is that these two leaders, these two men really see eye to eye on a lot of foreign policy issues. the only one that we really heard that was different was what you had actually talked about and that was romney's stance on arming the syrian rebels. how does the united states go about doing that, because we kn
of arming the syrians, finding those syrian moderates, those pro-western rebels fighting bashar al assad, that may be a new strategy on the part of romney as opposed to the obama administration which has been totally reluctant to arm any of the rebels in syria fearing those weapons could wind up in the hands of the so-called terrorist, the bad guys, if you will. that's a clear differentiation, but i think from the american political perspective, there's no great desire to get involved...
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the assad regime is doing everything it can to try to crush this rebellion. the last thing they need is a war on their borders. but when you have mortar shells falling 150 meets or 150 yards into someone's territory, it can -- this was a few days ago, you haven't had deaths in recent days, but you can easily see a situation where this would spiral out of control. so, you know, arming the rebels coming from mitt romney, i don't know. is this something that is going to happen rebels in a substantial way inside the country? this is still talk. you're still talking about vetting groups. we're months away from identifying groups that will be armed in a sort of -- in a way that can help them fight against the regime that is extremely militaryized. >> what about syria? you have sources in syria and one line that stood out to me, mitt romney quoting a syrian woman saying we'll never forget that you forget us, but that the u.s. is forgetting syria. what do syrians tell you? >> what syrians say, those who are on the side of the anti-regime movement, and those who suppo
the assad regime is doing everything it can to try to crush this rebellion. the last thing they need is a war on their borders. but when you have mortar shells falling 150 meets or 150 yards into someone's territory, it can -- this was a few days ago, you haven't had deaths in recent days, but you can easily see a situation where this would spiral out of control. so, you know, arming the rebels coming from mitt romney, i don't know. is this something that is going to happen rebels in a...
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iran is sending arms to assad because they know his downfall would be a strategic defeat for them. we should be working no less vigorously through international partners to support the many syrians who would deliver that defeat to iran, rather than sitting on the sidelines. it is essential that we develop influence with those forces in syria that will one day lead a country that sits at the heart of the middle east. in afghanistan, i will pursue our real and successful transition to afghan security forces by the end of 2014. president obama what have you believe that anyone who disagrees with his decisions in afghanistan is arguing for endless war. but the route to war and potential attacks on is a politically it time to retreat that abandons the afghans to people, the same extremists who launched 9/11. i will evaluate conditions on the ground and with the best device of our military commanders, and i will affirm that my duty is not to protect my political prospects, but to protect the security of the nation. finally, i will recommit america to the goal of a democratic, prosperous
iran is sending arms to assad because they know his downfall would be a strategic defeat for them. we should be working no less vigorously through international partners to support the many syrians who would deliver that defeat to iran, rather than sitting on the sidelines. it is essential that we develop influence with those forces in syria that will one day lead a country that sits at the heart of the middle east. in afghanistan, i will pursue our real and successful transition to afghan...
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the political and security order of a post assad era on? >> you has mosni on the panel you need to get egypt, iran and others aund the tab. >> it seems me he is right, basically, because all of those four countries have got a buying interest and we have interests as well, so i think we -- >> you don't mind the idea of iran being part of that and saudi arabia? >> they already are a part of it. >> they have dealt themselves in but in a negative way. >> but the united states has not bought into that idea. >> it is very difficult and if you are saying to me what is going to be the thing that in the end find a way through, i haven't yet seen a military plan that has said to me, yes this is a way of protectin ose people. and -- but the threat from the minister in my time said the definition of foreign policy is stopping people from killing each other and i am not seeing governance or intelligence i have not seen an intervention plan that could in the least bit work. >> i am not arguing either. that point or am i that informed whether there is a v
the political and security order of a post assad era on? >> you has mosni on the panel you need to get egypt, iran and others aund the tab. >> it seems me he is right, basically, because all of those four countries have got a buying interest and we have interests as well, so i think we -- >> you don't mind the idea of iran being part of that and saudi arabia? >> they already are a part of it. >> they have dealt themselves in but in a negative way. >> but the...
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iran is sending arms to assad because his downfall would be a strategic defeat for them. we should be working through our international partners to support the many syrians who would deliver that defeat to iran rather than sitting on the sidelines. it's essential we develop influence with those forces in syria that will one day lead a country that sits at the heart of the middle east. in afghanistan, i will pursue a real successful transition to afghan security forces by the end of 2014. president obama would have you believe anyone who disagrees with the decisions in afghanistan is arguing for endless war. but the route to war and to potential attacks at home is a politically timed retreat that abandons the afghan people to the same extremists who ravaged their country and used it to launch the attacks of 9/11. i will look at conditions on the ground and weigh the best advice of military commanders and affirm that my duty isn't to protect my political prospects but to protect the security of the nation. finally, i will recommit america to the goal of a prosperous palesti
iran is sending arms to assad because his downfall would be a strategic defeat for them. we should be working through our international partners to support the many syrians who would deliver that defeat to iran rather than sitting on the sidelines. it's essential we develop influence with those forces in syria that will one day lead a country that sits at the heart of the middle east. in afghanistan, i will pursue a real successful transition to afghan security forces by the end of 2014....
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conjunction with other nato powers led by the united states their main objective is regime change against the assad government in syria they're using this border conflict between syria and turkey as a means of intervening more directly from a military standpoint within the un security council the us britain and france have not been able to get their way in regard to authorizing some type of a no fly zone unquote would actually means a authorization to carry out massive bombings against syria so they can utilize alleged violations of turkish land mass and then effort to further militarize the border between the two countries so i believe it's a very dangerous situation and that the united nations seems to be almost a crippled in regard to any attempt to resolve this conflict because their efforts are being undermined by nato and the countries that are very much a part of the leadership of that military alliance the international criminal court is holding a two day public hearing to decide whether one the gadhafi son should be tried in libya or the hague saif al islam gadhafi is accused of trying to
conjunction with other nato powers led by the united states their main objective is regime change against the assad government in syria they're using this border conflict between syria and turkey as a means of intervening more directly from a military standpoint within the un security council the us britain and france have not been able to get their way in regard to authorizing some type of a no fly zone unquote would actually means a authorization to carry out massive bombings against syria so...
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inside syria rebels threatened to execute forty eight iranian hostages within two days if the assad government does not comply with their demands release captured opposition fighters. it is an hour just after five pm on friday here in moscow this is arts he lives with me rule research. and thousands of islamist opposition supporters have gathered in the jordanian capital amman to demand reform but we can go to the latest pictures for you here on see these are from amman the rallies taking place despite the king having already dissolved the parliament clearing the way for new elections he pledged to introduce more reform to avoid the arab spring style unrest the country has already faced nearly twenty months of protests with people demanding more say in how the state is run later this hour here on r.t. we'll be joined by our correspondent she is in the center of the crowds in. meanwhile in syria the free syrian army says in two days they could start executing forty eight iranian pilgrims they kidnapped in august the threat would be carried out of the syrian regime does not fulfill demands to re
inside syria rebels threatened to execute forty eight iranian hostages within two days if the assad government does not comply with their demands release captured opposition fighters. it is an hour just after five pm on friday here in moscow this is arts he lives with me rule research. and thousands of islamist opposition supporters have gathered in the jordanian capital amman to demand reform but we can go to the latest pictures for you here on see these are from amman the rallies taking place...
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negative months of course syria remains a dark spot and syria will not be settled for a long time even if assad's regime falls ok but. you know it's very interesting we haven't talked about the gulf countries here mean the reactionary powers and i seem to think their role is moving forward and we're looking at syria obviously adds. absolutely i've. only got enough seems to be in london go ahead sure sure i can't imagine that the gulf countries will follow the same trend in the near future as some of the. north african countries. there are a lot more you could say repressive there isn't this development of civic society as you have in egypt egypt more or less they have a very educated population have a vast population and they have they have a growing middle class by can emerge in the gulf countries where the ruling felt family ruling elites more as controls everything. and where most of the workers are expatriates who are sustaining that country i can't imagine that this will take place in the next decade but having said that they might have ways to actually change the change their country and in
negative months of course syria remains a dark spot and syria will not be settled for a long time even if assad's regime falls ok but. you know it's very interesting we haven't talked about the gulf countries here mean the reactionary powers and i seem to think their role is moving forward and we're looking at syria obviously adds. absolutely i've. only got enough seems to be in london go ahead sure sure i can't imagine that the gulf countries will follow the same trend in the near future as...
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iran is sending arms to assad because they know his downfall would be a strategic defeat for them. we should be working no less vigorously through international partners to support the many syrians who would deliver that defeat to iran, rather than sitting on the sidelines. it is essential that we develop influence with those forces in syria that will one day lead a country that sits at the heart of the middle east. in afghanistan, i will pursue our real and successful transition to afghan security forces by the end of 2014. president obama what have you believe that anyone who disagrees with his decisions in afghanistan is arguing for endless war. but the route to war and potential attacks on is a politically it time to retreat that abandons the afghans to people, the same extremists who launched 9/11. i will evaluate conditions on the ground and with the best device of our military commanders, and i will affirm that my duty is not to protect my political prospects, but to protect the security of the nation. finally, i will recommit america to the goal of a democratic, prosperous
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members of the opposition who share our values and assure they attain the arms they need to defeat assad's tanks, helicopters and fighter jets. >> hey, peter, you were with him all weekend and we did see a decision by the romney campaign to include in the governor's stump more personal stories. of just ways that he worked with members of for instance of his community in boston. >> yeah, i think that's right. three times in all of the events held in florida. obviously as our viewers have seen, he has largely resisted this as a democrat would say. here though, it seems like there's a genuine sense of confidence, a reinvigorated campaign. you experience that when you talk to the crowds as well. it appears to be contagious to the candidate himself. in the past, we saw crowds that were largely anti obama more than pro romney. after the debate performance, they appear to be behind mitt romney and that seems to be fuelling him giving him more confidence to tell his own story. >> mr. alexander, we'll see you on the trail. thank you, sir. >>> well, mitt romney is hoping to amplify his criticisms of
members of the opposition who share our values and assure they attain the arms they need to defeat assad's tanks, helicopters and fighter jets. >> hey, peter, you were with him all weekend and we did see a decision by the romney campaign to include in the governor's stump more personal stories. of just ways that he worked with members of for instance of his community in boston. >> yeah, i think that's right. three times in all of the events held in florida. obviously as our viewers...
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iran is sending arms to assad because they know his downfall would be a strategic defeat for them. we should be working no less vigorously through our international partners to support the many syrians who would deliver that defeat to iran, rather than sitting on the sidelines. it's essential we develop influence with those forces in syria that will one day lead a country that sits at the heart of the middle east. in afghanistan i'll pursue a real and successful transition to afghan security forces by the end of 2014. president obama would have you believe anyone who disagrees with his decision in afghanistan is arguing for endless war but the route to war and to potential attacks here at home is a politically timed retreat that abandons the afghan people to the same extremists who ravaged their country and used it to launch the attacks of 9/11. i will evaluate conditions on the ground and weigh the best advice of our military commanders and i will affirm my duty is not to protect my political prospects but to protect the security of the nation. finally i will recommit america to t
iran is sending arms to assad because they know his downfall would be a strategic defeat for them. we should be working no less vigorously through our international partners to support the many syrians who would deliver that defeat to iran, rather than sitting on the sidelines. it's essential we develop influence with those forces in syria that will one day lead a country that sits at the heart of the middle east. in afghanistan i'll pursue a real and successful transition to afghan security...
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distinctions and it is distinctions that give us the complexity we need to understand the world and assad ran a brutal dictatorship but nothing like saddam hussein. i had my passport taken by the iraqi authorities when i was in iraq -- i was very nervous obviously. i only got back to the airport before i left. i was a journalist who got too close to my story and i was intent on eliminating saddam hussein. i believed like the lot of people, different western countries in the world and on both sides of the aisle that there were wm ds and i believe a regime this suffocatingly brutal you couldn't trust. you had to assume that it existed and the work turned out so miserably. had we had different generals and different strategy could have been different. you can't simply say it wouldn't have mattered no matter what we did but on the other hand a lot of the mistakes we made were implicit in the hubris of the conception because we can play counterfact wills all we want but at the end of the day you are stuck with the fact you have and you have to live with them and deal with them. >> you add up t
distinctions and it is distinctions that give us the complexity we need to understand the world and assad ran a brutal dictatorship but nothing like saddam hussein. i had my passport taken by the iraqi authorities when i was in iraq -- i was very nervous obviously. i only got back to the airport before i left. i was a journalist who got too close to my story and i was intent on eliminating saddam hussein. i believed like the lot of people, different western countries in the world and on both...
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michael, the president urges assad to step down. he supports arab efforts in their opposition to the syrian government. given the instability of libya and egypt, isn't the president's cautious approach to syria the right one unless, and i repeat, unless we want to get involved in another war? >> hi, martin. well, to be honest with you, i think there is a fairly narrow range of disagreement between the two men here because, as you know, if we think about this kind of a war and we think of all of our range of possible interventions, providing or asking our allies to provide a few more weapons is a relatively modest step along the spectrum. we're not talking about american planes creating a no-fly zone in the romney speech. we're not talking about creation of any kind of a humanitarian protected ground zone up in the north -- >> but, michael, i'm sorry to interrupt you, mike, but we wouldn't expect any details from this man because he never gives us any. t the overarching theme is he wants a new approach. not the approach being expedit
michael, the president urges assad to step down. he supports arab efforts in their opposition to the syrian government. given the instability of libya and egypt, isn't the president's cautious approach to syria the right one unless, and i repeat, unless we want to get involved in another war? >> hi, martin. well, to be honest with you, i think there is a fairly narrow range of disagreement between the two men here because, as you know, if we think about this kind of a war and we think of...
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in syria he dealt with hafez assad and in israel he dealt with golda meyer who has such a majority in the israeli parliament no one had ever heard of the likud my noorty policy. so kissinger had to deliver three people. flash forward, you're hillary clintonow. you ha to negotiate with a muslim brotherhood president of egypt who is in a -- just new to the job in a very frail and weak situation. you've got a revolution in syria, there's basically no one to deal with. you could deal with haefz but he can't deliver six blocks beyond his palace and in israel you have a minority government led baby by netanyahu that is an extreme government. it's michele bachmann 20 times over. so it's not exactly an environment conducive for great heroic foreign policy. mam tell your dughters not to grow up to secretaries of state, not now. you want to be secretary of education, not secretary of state. >> rose: (laughs) so what ought to be the foreign policy debate in this campaign? >> well, i tell you what i've been focused on and i think it's about making our own country strong, charlie. making our own c
in syria he dealt with hafez assad and in israel he dealt with golda meyer who has such a majority in the israeli parliament no one had ever heard of the likud my noorty policy. so kissinger had to deliver three people. flash forward, you're hillary clintonow. you ha to negotiate with a muslim brotherhood president of egypt who is in a -- just new to the job in a very frail and weak situation. you've got a revolution in syria, there's basically no one to deal with. you could deal with haefz but...